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July 9, 2012
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I try not to beat dead horses, but George Takei’s bigotry demands a second look because last night he posted this on Facebook:

The joke itself is standard fare for a Takei-promoted meme: unoriginal and barely funny.

But what pissed me off is Takei’s comment: “And not everyone should wear skinny jeans, I might add.”

Were it not for this little extra dollop of hatred, I would have just rolled my eyes and thought, “Way to go, George.” But his comment raises a few interesting questions.

First, who is allowed to wear skinny jeans? I’m guessing skinny people, but how skinny? I know plenty of people who are passably thin until they wear something like skinny jeans, which can push a fat roll into existence where there was previously none. This is also known as the “muffin top” and among the comments on Takei’s post, the horror of the muffin top was frequently cited.

Most of these people insist that the issue is that some clothes are more “flattering” for certain figures. But what is “flattering”? In our culture, “flattering” means de-emphasizing your fatness. So, if you wear something that draws attention to the fact that you aren’t a fat-free ectomorph, then you are wearing something “unflattering” and you should change immediately.

Skinny jeans are only flattering if it doesn’t produce the dread muffin top, which means that only a fraction of the population can wear this outfit without offending Takei and Co. with their fat. But this immediately brings to mind other clothing options that would be considered “unflattering” by the exposed flab standard:spandex; tank tops; sleeveless dresses; bikinis, or even bathing suits; and, according to a 1922 book by Emily Post “Fat women should never wear elaborate clothes or clothes in light colors or heavily feathered hats.”

Post goes on to explain why fatties get special rules for dressing:

The tendency of fat is to take away from one’s gracility; therefore, any one inclined to be fat must be ultra conservative — in order to counteract the effect… because a woman is no longer young is no reason why she should wear perpetual black — unless she is fat.

Got that fat ladies? If you want to maintain your gracility, then you best perpetually wear black.

But for whose benefit is the loose-fitting, all-black wardrobe? Considering the fact that fatties are discouraged from exposing any amount of flesh, even at the beach where it’s entirely appropriate, it seems that the Shroud of Muffin(top) is aimed at shielding the poor, unsuspecting victim who might witness an unsightly flab attack.

So, when George Takei tells his 2.2 million Facebook followers what is and is not appropriate for fat people to wear, based on rules meant to hide the ickiness of abundant flesh from the public, it becomes the height of hypocrisy when he posts the following cartoon:

I grew up in a very religious household and went to both Catholic and non-denominational Christian churches and I (and anyone else who has done so) can confirm that much of the opposition stems from the Ick Factor, as Mike Huckabee put it so eloquently.

Well guess what, George: your comments on who should and should not wear skinny jeans is based on the Ick Factor for Fatties. Let’s face it, the only reason people whinge about fatties in skinny jeans or bikinis is because they are grossed out by fat bodies. They can try and mask it as a concern for health, but all you have to do is scratch the surface to see what lies beneath.

“So what?” the asshats cry. “It’s just a joke, get over it.”

If it’s “just a joke,” then why did the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) jump to George Takei’s defense when his marriage was mocked by a New York Post cartoonist? I mean, it’s just a joke, right?

Wrong. What that cartoon did, and what George Takei is doing, is enforcing the stigma associated with gay and fat people, respectively.

In Gerhard Falk’s 2001 book Stigma: How We Treat Outsiders, Falk explains the role of stigma in society:

Modern American usage of the words “stigma” and “stigmatization” refers to an invisible sign of disapproval which permits insiders to draw a line around “outsiders” in order to demarcate the limits of inclusion in any group. That type of demarcation permits “insiders” to know who is “in” and who is “out” and allows the group to maintain its solidarity by demonstrating what happens to those who deviate from accepted norms of conduct… Consequently, the stigma and the stigmatization of some persons demarcates a boundary that reinforces the conduct of conformists.

In other words, stigma creates boundaries for “normal.” By stigmatizing certain groups, we are attempting to maintain the social order and morality of a group, according to Émile Durkheim, one of the founding fathers of sociology.

Falk explores a number of stigmatized groups, including women, immigrants, drug addicts, the homeless the mentally ill, and the old, not to mention homosexuals and what the author calls “exceedingly obese” fat people.

A lot has changed since 2001, and homosexuals have gained a lot of ground in terms of social acceptance. Yes, there is definitely a vocal contingency of people (particularly among intolerant Christians) who are still attempting to stigmatize gay people, but when you look at our culture as a whole, gay people are much closer to being “inside” the boundary line of normalcy.

In fact, among younger Americans, homosexuality is considered completely normal with 65% of those aged 18 to 34 saying that gay and lesbian relations are “morally acceptable.” And nearly half of those aged 55 and older agree.

So, what happens when a stigmatized group becomes less stigmatized? Apparently, they take the opportunity to participate in the stigmatization of other groups, perhaps as a way of asserting their newfound normalcy.

This shift from being the stigmatized to the stigmatizer is part of the natural progression of stigma. Groups considered a threat to society in the 19th century are remarkably different from those of the 21th century. Irish immigrants were once subject to bigotry and discrimination, and now we celebrate their inclusion in this country with green dye and drunken debauchery (the latter of which is definitive proof that fat stigma has nothing to do with health).

Although the tendency is to say view stigma as just something society does, we already know that those who are subjected to stigma suffer the consequences in terms of health, as explained in my interview with Dr. Rebecca Puhl, Director of Research and Weight Stigma Initiatives at the Rudd Center for Food Policy & Obesity at Yale University.

But the really insidious part of stigma is that it isn’t just the “insiders” who participate in stigmatization. According to Falk, “It is significant that stigma and stigmatization not only create negative reactions in the audience that perceives the feature that defines the outsider, but that the stigma and stigmatized are themselves part of that negative audience.”

This is especially true of fat stigma, as evidenced by this defender of Takei:

Interesting how this person finds humor in Takei’s comments on appropriate dress for fat people, yet he whines, “Stop bashing people who might have a different view point than your own.”

So, in the mind of this fat person it’s perfectly acceptable to bash fat people who dare to commit the crime of being publicly fat, but don’t you dare bash someone with a differing viewpoint.

I scoff at the idea that we should all “take a chill pill” because anyone who is really comfortable with themselves can “take a joke.” Bullshit. As Takei himself said in response to Tracey Morgan’s horrible “joke” about killing his gay son:

When I first learned of it, my blood started boiling, but then, the more I read it over, you know, he’s a sad, strange man. He’s an African-American who has been subjected to bigotry and hate before, and for him to be perpetuating that, he must be an insecure guy.

George Takei is right: those who perpetuate bigotry and hate, those who find stigmatizing jokes funny, are insecure people who feel compelled to assert their conformity by pointing and laughing at those who do not conform. It’s as if they’re saying, “See, I think fat people are hideous and disgusting just like all of you!”

And don’t even think of citing health as a justification for this kind of behavior. You cannot tell by looking at someone whether they engage in healthy behaviors, as I explained in my recent interview on NBC:

The fact that I have made significant improvements to my health (as evidenced by my improved cholesterol) without losing a pound is just one of many, MANY examples of fat people who are engaged in healthy behaviors. And yet people stigmatize fatties like us — and don’t stigmatize the skinny, sedentary, fast food junkies — because of a simple-minded belief that fat = unhealthy.

Falk explains how even false accusations can lead to real stigma:

False accusations are an example of how stigma and stigmatization can be attached to someone who is associated with a behavior that does not exist. Someone falsely accused is stigmatized because the attribution of deviance exists even if no behavior of any kind can be found to support the attribution.

Because fatness is associated with unhealthy lifestyle choices, all fat people are assumed to lead unhealthy lifestyles. And because thinness is associated with healthy lifestyle choices, all thin people are assumed to lead healthy lifestyles.

So, if health were the deciding factor in this particular stigma, then we would judge gluttony, sloth, drunkeness, smoking, drug use, or reckless driving with the same ferocity. If health were the deciding factor, then you would see Michael Bloomberg calling for a ban on 16 ounce beers and barflies would be routinely lectured for their self-destructive behaviors.

Instead, we consider these other lifestyle choices personal and none of our fucking business. And because
it’s “personal,” they avoid the hatefulness inspired by the stigma that fat people experience. Or as Falk puts it:

There may therefore be no difference between the way a person is treated who is falsely accused and someone who is justifiably accused. Conversely, there are many people who deal in “secret” deviance and are not accused because their behavior is unknown to anyone but themselves. Such people are not recognized as deviants because no stigma and stigmatization can attach to them.

Considering the long and bloody history that homosexuals have endured under the scrutiny of stigma, I assumed that most educated homosexuals would understand that stigma, no matter how it’s enforced, is always wrong. And when I saw George Takei’s Pinterist profile

… I would have assumed that being a “believer in the equality of all human beings” meant respecting everyone, regardless of who they are or what they look like.

I was wrong.

George Takei clearly believes that fat people aren’t equal to all human beings. If he did, then he wouldn’t be posting lectures on what fat people should and should not wear, and he wouldn’t be broadcasting a message of intolerance to all of his fans. By doing so, he is merely reinforcing their belief that fat people deserve to be stigmatized.

Finally, I’d like to remind Mr. Takei that there is nothing natural about stigmatizing fat people. There’s no law of the galaxy that says only certain people are allowed to wear certain clothing. These are rules that we are taught and that we teach to others. Or, as he recently posted:

George Takei, no one is born hating fat bodies. They are taught. And you have become one of the most vocal teachers of this intolerance.

Please, stop teaching intolerance and start promoting love.

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55 Comments leave one →
  1. vesta44 permalink
    July 9, 2012 11:59 am

    And because thinness is associated with healthy lifestyle choices, all thin people are assumed to lead unhealthy lifestyles.
    Shouldn’t that be “all thin people are assumed to lead healthy lifestyles”?
    Aside from that typo, I totally agree with this whole post. I always thought George Takei was pretty cool as Mr Sulu on Star Trek, but the more I see of what he does now that he’s no longer acting, the less I like him. I mean, it’s great and all what he’s done for the GLBT movement, but GLBT folks can also be fat – does he think bashing fat GLBTs is okay? Or is he thinking that all GLBT folks wouldn’t be so gross as to let themselves “get fat”? I’ve really lost what respect I had for him (but I guess that wouldn’t matter to him because I’m one of those gross fat people that can’t wear skinny jeans or spandex or sleeveless tops or whatever else fat people aren’t supposed to wear).

    • July 9, 2012 12:52 pm

      Thanks vesta, I fixed it. I think that fat hatred is like any hatred: if George actually saw the effect that his words had on other people, he’d probably stop. We can only hope someone close to him will explain it soon.

      Peace,
      Shannon

  2. July 9, 2012 12:58 pm

    I still can’t get over how good you look on TV Shannon. It’s distracting me! Talk show time!!!!!!

    • July 9, 2012 2:25 pm

      Thanks Duffy. I got a boob job just for this segment.

      Peace,
      Shannon

  3. Fab@54 permalink
    July 9, 2012 12:59 pm

    OK, I need to preface my next words with a disclaimer;
    I do NOT dislike, hate, nor fear Gay people in any way. Like most people, I have gay people in my family, as a matter of fact my own brother (with whom I have a close, healthy relationship) is gay. That being said and understood, I will now go on to say:
    there are SOME gay people, both famous and ordinary folks, who for some reason feel it is perfectly OK and acceptable to adopt this “I’m a big bitchy, obnoxious, snarky Queen and I’ll say what I like and like what I say! And YOU will think I’m funny and Oh-No-He-Did-Int hilarious!”

    I’m not sure how else to illustrate what I mean, except to point out 3 PERFECT examples of the kind of “Mean Bitchy Queen” I’m talking about:

    1. Perez Hilton
    2. Colton Cumbie ( http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20581262,00.html )
    and yes, No. 3 : George Takei

    I think these people fall very easily into your theory that once they feel ‘accepted’ (enough) they assert their conformity by pointing and laughing at those who (still) do not conform and have not been wholly accepted.
    They become one of the “cool kids” who in turn can now bully the UNcool kids….

    The snarky bitchy queens who behave like this really do feel entitled to behave that way. They feel they’ve earned the right to move up the food chain and shit on those below them.
    Well I think their behavior sucks and in turn THEY suck. And the fact that they are gay just makes me more angry because they should fucking know better.

    • July 9, 2012 1:47 pm

      Applause.

    • July 9, 2012 2:26 pm

      It’s also funny when Perez Hilton turns around and advocates against bullying. You’re a full-time, paid bully, asshole. Shut the fuck up!

      Peace,
      Shannon

      • Dizzyd permalink
        December 30, 2014 9:38 pm

        The word you’re looking for is “hypocrite”.

  4. Julie Anita permalink
    July 9, 2012 1:44 pm

    Trackback! (since I don’t know how to do it officially) http://unbrokenworld.blogspot.com/2012/07/shut-up-fatty-george-takei-doesnt-like.html

    Thanks for your article! I found it through Mr. Takei’s otherwise painful comment thread on FB. ❤

    • July 9, 2012 2:31 pm

      Aaaaaaaaaw, thanks for the kind words on your post, Julie (I’m relinking because the link you posted didn’t work for me). Welcome to Fierce Fatties!

      And you hit the nail on the head… there’s something seriously messed up about the fact that now we know that if you see George Takei somewhere and you’re a fat person, he may be quietly judging you for what you’re wearing. It’s just a really ignorant thing to say, especially when you’re in the position that he is.

      Peace,
      Shannon

      • Julie Anita permalink
        July 10, 2012 7:24 pm

        Yeah, when I tried going to my own post last night I had some problems– I think the site was slow. Either way, thanks for replying and for fixing the link 🙂

        I just came by again to let you know that the post seems to be mysteriously gone from his Facebook, with not a word there, on his blog, or on Twitter about why. Hmm. That’s even MORE disappointing, because he must have known people were upset if he bothered to remove the posts, but he never addressed the issue itself, so clearly he doesn’t care. Lame, dude.

      • Julie Anita permalink
        July 11, 2012 9:51 am

        Sidenote: they sell XXL t-shirts on his website. >;) As long as it brings in a little cash, eh, why not, right?

  5. July 9, 2012 1:44 pm

    Just as an aside: There’s a LOT of free-range smoker bashing that goes on. Take that for what it’s worth, but it’s totally ok to say anything about them apparently.

    • July 9, 2012 2:36 pm

      scyllacat,
      I’m a former smoker who occasionally indulges still. I’m also friends with many MANY smokers and I have never heard anyone describe instances of smoker bashing that even come close to the kind of hatred that people spew at fat people. I mean, smoking is still responsible for almost 400,000 deaths per year, while obesity (not overweight AND obesity, just obesity) is responsible for 112,000 deaths. So, where’s the four part HBO special on smoking? Even at the height of anti-smoking fervor, there was never this kind of attention paid to smokers.

      And nobody confronts smokers with the kind of hostility and anger that fat people experience. At most, you get a passive aggressive fake cough or some kind of comment about cancer. When I smoke outside, people don’t glare at me the same way as if I were holding a donut outside. It’s just not even close in terms of comparison. Sorry, I’m just not buying it.

      Peace,
      Shannon

      • Julie Anita permalink
        July 10, 2012 7:25 pm

        Smoking also has the potential to hurt other people. Someone being fat does not. I don’t see them as comparable examples.

  6. Robert Jumalon permalink
    July 9, 2012 1:46 pm

    I think you all are over reacting a bit. He’s not insulting anyone. He is merely stating the obvious. Skinny jeans are not appropriate attire for everyone. Although there are some who shouldn’t wear them, they will try any way. I’m not a thin person and I’m not offended by his comment at all. If I tried to squeeze my big ass into a pair of “skinny jeans”, I would likely have to suffer the embarrassment of having a Paramedic cut them off before I suffocate. LOL

    • July 9, 2012 2:42 pm

      Robert,
      Thanks for reiterating my point about internalizing stigma. First of all, did you even read this post? It’s not about skinny jeans, or any single particular clothing item that George Takei has singled out. It’s about the fact that George Takei thinks it’s okay to suggest that some kinds of clothes are appropriate for some kinds of people and not for others. So I asked why. Why are skinny jeans forbidden, and the answer is that it enhances, or is “unflattering” to, our fatness. So, can I a fat woman wear a bikini? If not, then what is the BMI cutoff for a two piece?

      Personally, I think skinny jeans are stupid, but I’m not going to tell people they shouldn’t wear them. I’m also not going to tell people how they should and should not behave in public. And for someone to act as though my clothing choices are somehow affecting them because they don’t want to see my fat… well, that’s just as stupid as bigoted Christians getting incensed over two men holding hands, or kissing, in public.

      It’s stupid and ignorant and you have the right to tell me I’m over-reacting just like I have the right to tell George he’s being a dick.

      Peace,
      Shannon

    • Christina permalink
      July 9, 2012 2:48 pm

      You know, they come in a variety of sizes and you could certainly fit your “big ass,” into a pair. You have fat shamed YOURSELF into believing you cannot wear whatever it is you want, because you will look fat. Guess what… you look fat in anything you wear, because you ARE fat.

    • Mulberry permalink
      July 9, 2012 2:49 pm

      There are women who wear tops that are too small to comfortably cover their bosom. Would you also say they shouldn’t wear these kinds of tops because they might suffocate and that the paramedics would have to cut them off, too? Funny, I don’t see a lot of complaints in general about women wearing overly tight tops.
      Can’t you find skinny jeans in your own true size? I thought skinny jeans were a particular style or shape and not necessarily a tourniquet.

    • July 9, 2012 3:25 pm

      Not if you bought them in your size. They do exist in larger sizes.

    • July 10, 2012 12:06 am

      Robert,

      I have been dressing myself since I was two.

      I can do it by myself now, okay?

  7. Mulberry permalink
    July 9, 2012 2:26 pm

    This goes a long way toward explaining why more stigmatized groups don’t band together to fight the stigma. How many times have you heard the indignation from some other group: “How dare you fat people think your problems are as important or serious as ours?! If you weren’t so [insert derogatory adjectives here], you could lose weight any time you want to and then you wouldn’t have problems!!!” Sadly, a lot of fat people agree with that assessment.
    Can someone more knowledgeable about fashion than I am explain what is the difference between wearing skinny jeans and wearing tight jeans? Tight jeans are nothing new. And if they’re not the same thing, why not just get a pair of skinny jeans that fit properly, and then you won’t have a muffin top if you don’t want one?

    • July 9, 2012 2:47 pm

      Sadly, I think a lot of it is every man (or woman) for himself (or herself) when it comes to stigma. I think people are so vested in the fight to remove stigma that once they get to that point they’re too exhausted to look back and see who has been left behind. It’s a shame, because if we all banded together, we could really make some incredible progress toward a more humane society.

      Peace,
      Shannon

    • July 10, 2012 9:17 am

      Finding an outside group to hate on is, unfortunately, always easier than finding it within yourself to accept yourself and others and vocally promote that stance.

      As for skinny jeans:
      Tight jeans=jeans that may be tight through the waist and leg but still leave a little breathing room around the calves and ankles. I think most of them are straight cut. Pretty comfortable and workable for everyday activities.

      Skinny jeans=tapered to fit the entirety of the leg, tight down to the ankle. One is liable to need some appliance to get them on and off again in the evening if your feet/ankles swell up a little and/or aren’t bendy enough to compensate for high arches. Also, IMHO, most uncomfortable item of clothing in existence. Pinches, pulls, you can’t run or jump or sit comfortably in them, something is always there to remind you of their existence. On par with jeggings on the “items that will never populate my wardrobe” list.

      Might be that tight and skinny jeans are synonyms in some dialects though…

      • Mulberry permalink
        July 10, 2012 7:15 pm

        Thanks for the explanation. I wasn’t thinking of any particular jeans style when I mentioned “tight jeans”, just of jeans worn a couple of sizes too small that require some serious maneuvering to actually get on and off.
        I have a pair of jeans that was described in the catalog as “jeggings”, but they were actually very comfortable, looked okay, and never felt tight. I think the cotton had a little bit of spandex mixed in. Wish they fit me now, but they’d probably need enough tailoring that I’d be better off buying a new pair of jeans with the same money.
        Not a style I’d usually prefer, due to wide calves.

  8. Robert permalink
    July 9, 2012 2:31 pm

    I would like to point out that both recreational drug use and smoking are stigmatized with similar ferocity at times. Unlike those two, there are safe levels of alcohol consumption. Also, skinny jeans look bad on almost everyone, even many thin people, especially those who are tall, such as myself. They make me look like I have clown shoes on.

    • July 9, 2012 2:46 pm

      Marijuana use is hardly stigmatized. Right now it’s even enjoying a renaissance of sorts in our society. And as I commented earlier, smoking is not stigmatized with the same ferocity. Not even close. And your comment on alcohol is ridiculous. Twinkies can be consumed at a safe level too… in fact, it’s much harder and would take much longer to OD on Twinkies than it would to succumb to alcohol poisoning. And on top of that, drunk people frequently harm other people, whereas even if you accept the popular opinions on obesity, they aren’t harming anyone else but themselves.

      And yet being fat is seen as far, FAR worse than being an alcoholic in this country. Drinking is practically a national past time. It’s hypocritical and stupid. And yes, skinny jeans are stupid for all people.

      Peace,
      Shannon

      • Robert permalink
        July 9, 2012 3:02 pm

        It’s good to see we agree about the pants haha. The drinking thing was just to state that drinking and smoking are on two separate levels, as smoking always harms everyone around you. People who don’t stigmatize pot are morons, to put it bluntly. That said, I’m trying become a more accepting man. If you really improved your health without dropping weight, more power to you, and I wish you luck with keeping your cholesterol down.

        Have a nice day 🙂

        • July 9, 2012 3:42 pm

          Hi Robert,
          And I think that people who believe alcohol is somehow safer than pot are morons, so we’re even.

          Peace,
          Shannon

    • Mulberry permalink
      July 9, 2012 3:20 pm

      Robert, I am glad you pointed that out. You brought to mind an article referenced by the Fat Nutritionist just last week titled “Disgust and perceived control in attitudes toward
      obese people”. On PDF page 3, there is a lovely little chart (Table 1) showing levels of disgust toward various groups of people, and obese people rank third, right after drug addicts and smokers. Go to nature.com/ijo, search for “disgust”.

  9. July 9, 2012 2:46 pm

    Shannon, on the whole I agree with everything here; however, I don’t think that we should be replacing fat stigma with health stigma, which you’re on the verge of doing here.

    • July 9, 2012 2:51 pm

      Kate,
      My intention is not to replace one stigma with another. My point in illustrating this with my own health choices is to simply point out that you can’t tell by looking at someone whether they are healthy. I can see how that might be seen as saying “But if you do know their health status, then fire away.” That is hardly my position.

      My intention was to point out that if health were the real justification for fat stigma, then we would stigmatize all unhealthy lifestyle choices equally. We don’t, and I don’t think we should, because nobody would be exempt from that kind of judgement. Nobody lives a perfectly healthy life, even if they put up a good front. I would hope that my writing sends the message to stop judging others for their personal choices, but if it comes out otherwise, you can rest assured it’s due to the fact that I am my own proofreader.

      Peace,
      Shannon

  10. July 9, 2012 3:55 pm

    fat acceptance is a joke at best and dangerous at worst. Stop comparing your inability to take in less energy than you expend with race or sexuality.

    • Mulberry permalink
      July 9, 2012 4:10 pm

      D, thank you so much for illustrating the point I made above about stigmatized groups being reluctant to band together. In return, may I recommend JoannaDW’s recent post on FA101 to address some of your apparent misconceptions about fat acceptance.

    • July 9, 2012 5:15 pm

      Hi D,
      First and foremost, be sure to acquaint yourself with our commenting rules. We welcome those who wish to challenge our claims, but simply citing calories in/calories out won’t cut it.

      And second, if you’re going to challenge our claims with mealy-mouthed baby talk, at least have the courage to use your real name and email address, you fucking coward.

      Peace,
      Shannon

      • Dizzyd permalink
        December 30, 2014 9:47 pm

        Yeah, and quit using part of my username as your own. I’m the ONLY “D” around here#(Unless you have only fat – positive things to say, in which case, use away! ) 😉

    • The Real Cie permalink
      July 26, 2012 11:05 am

      Common decency should not be a joke. Why should it be anyone’s right to say unkind things about another person? Not finding a person fuckable does not give one the right to spew hate about said person.

  11. fatology101 permalink
    July 9, 2012 4:23 pm

    Atcha, great post and comments. What a hipocrate. So much for his belief in equality for all. And a reply to permalink. You have no idea what you are talking about. “take in energy” and “expend energy”. Are you referring to calories? If you are, you might want to do some research. Like so many things, calories in/calories out has grown to be the biggest myth in the last 120 years. Do you even know how calories were related to how we burn them? Probably not. Read the book Fatology 101. You might learn something.

  12. lifeonfats permalink
    July 9, 2012 6:38 pm

    George Takei has been called out many times for his fat jokes on his Facebook page yet he apparently refuses or genuinely fails to see that if you stand for equality, you can’t cherry pick who you think deserves it. EVERYONE deserves it. And yes, that even means fat people! Shocking I know, but it’s true!

    Now as for skinny jeans, it’s just jeans that have a tight tapered leg at the ankles. I’ve seen teenagers who wear them baggy so it’s really not so much about tightness in the waist. I have a pair but I roll up the cuffs to wear them as capris, and I’m a huge deathfat. I promise you, I don’t look offensive in them and there’s no need to shield your eyes or find a barf bag. If you can’t stand to see a little fat flesh, you need to stay home and close the drapes.

  13. Michelle B permalink
    July 9, 2012 10:08 pm

    If I want to wear skinny jeans, then dammit, I will, and there’s nothing anybody can do to stop me! I might even throw on my hot pants now and then! Ha! When someone tells me I can’t or shouldn’t do something, it makes me want to do it even more.

    I agree on your assessment of Takei. What’s funny to me is the rationale used to defend bigotry against gays and lesbians sometime sounds very similar to the rationale used against fat people. “It’s a choice”, “You’re not born that way, you chose a lifestyle”. Hell, I even read the comments section in an article about lifting the ban on gay blood donors, and it was filled with comments from people saying the gay lifestyle was unhealthy and that gays had shorter lifespans than straight people. God, that logic sounded familiar…

  14. Linda Ramos permalink
    July 9, 2012 10:58 pm

    I love what you said atcha about Perez. I have a bff (gay) who is pretty lookist, but very pro-FA in every other aspect. A lot of what he says is standard fat hate speech (not intentional), but his lookism does not begin or end there. Sometimes I share his opinion (silently) on how clothes worn a certain way look on people, but the other half of me is saying (aloud) that I love that she/he feels empowered and comfortable enough with themselves to wear what ever they want to. He’s currently dealing with a severe auto-immune disease that has taken away a lot of his own confidence in how he looks (severe weight loss) and has already told me that some of what I have said in the past is helping him deal with it. It’s sad that Takei may never see the hypocrisy of his stance – weight is a lifestyle choice like gay is a lifestyle choice… sure….

  15. elengendros permalink
    July 10, 2012 2:45 am

    But his criticism of skinny jeans on fat girs is more sincere that the health argument. At least
    Take is saying that he doesn’t like the fat from the aesthetic point of view, he is not trying to disguise his disgust for the fat in the form of a fake health concern.

  16. bud permalink
    July 10, 2012 9:30 am

    wow! lot of big fat opinions here

  17. LittleBigGirl permalink
    July 10, 2012 6:13 pm

    I don’t know what “gracility” means but I know I now dislike Emily Post.

    I had to laugh when I saw that skinny jeans were the subject to contention – my friend has a degree in fashion and she absolutely hates them on aesthetic principles regardless of the size of the person wearing them (she is thin and won’t wear them). She says that they are almost universally unflattering and a waste of textiles to make. If I want to piss her off I just say “skinny jeans!” and she starts making faces and gagging noises like it’s her kryptonite. ;P

  18. Janet permalink
    July 11, 2012 1:22 pm

    I hope someone pointed this out to him, that he is doing to fat folks what others do to gay folks. He’s a hypocrite and I”m unsubbing from his facebook feed. What a jerk!

  19. Gary permalink
    July 12, 2012 12:20 pm

    Way to make a mountain out of a molehill. Erleichda, butter cup.

    • July 12, 2012 12:45 pm

      One man’s mountain is another man’s molehill. By the way, one definition of Erleichda, apart from the traditional definition of “lighten up,” is “enlightenment.” Hopefully, you can find some of that while you’re at it.

      Peace,
      Shannon

      • Janet permalink
        July 12, 2012 12:54 pm

        Glad you said something. I wasn’t sure if this guy was for real or not. He seemed cranky and probably just needed a snack. *LOL*…sorry, I use humour to diffuse situations sometimes. And you are right, we have no right to deride the problems of others just because they aren’t the same problems as ours. If one person doesn’t like the way they are treated, they have a right to say so, just as everyone else does.

    • Mulberry permalink
      July 12, 2012 12:58 pm

      Mountain or molehill may depend on who’s climbing it. Man up, buttercup.

  20. Tee permalink
    July 16, 2012 10:44 am

    I stopped following him after that post. Did he ever respond to the criticism? On another note, I’ve worked in various retail jobs in the past, and I have to say that skinny jeans can be quite flattering on a person if you get the right cut/fit. It accentuates the curves, and even us heavier ladies can really rock that look: I know my husband agrees. 😉

  21. The Real Cie permalink
    July 26, 2012 11:02 am

    Myself, I’ve always preferred baggy clothes, no matter what size I am. This is in part because I want to hide my body from people who hoot and catcall and make me feel raped all over again. I should not have to feel this way. The whistling and crap doesn’t happen so much since I’ve let my hair go naturally gray, but the idea that anyone might look at me lustfully makes me exceedingly uncomfortable.
    It saddens this old geek that her beloved Mr. Sulu (or at least the guy who played him) turned out to be a dick. I used to love George for being openly gay and daring the haters to come at him with their bullshit. Sadly, he thinks its okay to hate on certain body types. And that’s not okay.

  22. July 31, 2012 5:10 pm

    That quote about no light clothing or feathered hats was from page 558 of Emily Post’s 1922 book “Etiquette in Society, In Business, in Politics and at Home”.

    Post died in 1960 which considerably curtailed her publishing career (although now I’m having visions of a Tupac-style conspiracy, complete with holograms).

    • August 3, 2012 1:57 pm

      Ack! I should have known better. It must have been the republish date. I have corrected this. Thanks Miss Plumcake!

      Peace,
      Shannon

  23. Jason McMahan permalink
    August 22, 2012 2:12 am

    I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed this. His intolerance is growing, now it is to the point where if you don’t agree with what he says, you are a d-bag. And he is completely unrepentant about it, saying that people need to not suck the fun out of things. The thing is, it wasn’t funny to begin with. He clumps anyone who is anti-homosexual together as ‘homophobes’ and then literally calls them a d-bag. He has made a SHIRT of this. Don’t get me wrong. I fully support same sex marriage. What I do NOT support is biggotry on any level, and he is spewing out an overwhelming amount of it lately. Apparently since being homosexual is more acceptable now, he can insult whoever he wants because hey! Its just a joke, right? I finally had to stop following him on Facebook.

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